Light Leak Update - Calling all QHY268M Users...

Mike Lewis

Staff Member
OK, so after a lot of lost imaging time and effort flat black painting the inside of my QHYCFW3L filter wheel, it was sent back down with the camera to AZ to be reassembled to the OTA. That was done yesterday, and a typical check was made to make sure all systems were connected properly and that I was able to control all the gear (computer, mount, camera, filter wheel, focuser, autoguder camera) from here in CO. Because I have been sick with the flu that check was done during the day with the caps on the main scope and autoguider. Too bad we did not think to run this same test before the equipment was brought back to Colorado, because the results were categorical for a light leak (as opposed to any internal reflections...) I suppose that having the inside of the wheel flat black is still a good thing (assuming no outgassing or particulate issues over time and given the warranty of the wheel is gone) but I am guessing now that was not required.

So here is the question for any of our users out there with the QHY268M (@CRTAstro? anyone else?) - what exactly is this hole on the side of the camera for? (I cannot examine it myself as the camera is obviously back down in AZ...)

Light_Leak_Hole_QHY268M.jpeg



Because on my setup, with that hole uncovered in daylight (with the OTA objective cap firmly in place) I capture this in a 1 second image:

Light_Leak_Hole_Open_QHY268M_small.jpg



And with that hole covered with black tape under the same conditions I capture this...

Light_Leak_Hole_Covered_QHY268M_small.jpg



What the @#@%$#@!!? I cannot believe this is supposed to work this way. Is this the desiccant tube port? I thought that was covered by a rubber cap if not used? I certainly never installed anything there. Is my camera somehow defective? camera is bolted directly to the filter wheel per the assembly instructions. I appear to be able to solve the problem with tape (at least for now) but I am quite certain everyone is not needing to resort to this hack. I HATE mysteries like this, and this one has cost me quite a lot of time and effort already. I have upwards of 40 hours of data collected on 2 targets that is corrupted by this (see previous posts...)

Anyway, will be posting this same question on CN but thought I would check here first in case anyone had any comments on what this hole is for on a QHY268M camera.

ML
 

JimFox

Moderator
Staff member
It's bad you had to deal with this issue, but at least you got this solved. Well, not totally solved, but at least you know the source of the light.

Keep us updated.
 

Mike Lewis

Staff Member
Will do. I will post at whatever point I understand what that hole is designed to be used for. Hopefully Carlos can chime in when he sees this, as he has houirs of data collection without these issues and the same camera and filters...


ML
 

JimFox

Moderator
Staff member
Will do. I will post at whatever point I understand what that hole is designed to be used for. Hopefully Carlos can chime in when he sees this, as he has houirs of data collection without these issues and the same camera and filters...


ML
Yeah, hopefully @CRTAstro see's this and can look at his.

I just looked at my ZWO ASI2600mc Pro, which isn't the same as yours, but the color version from a different manufacture (for those following along). My black plate on the end of the camera doesn't have a hole along the edge like you are showing.

Because I am curious since the QHY and ZWO cameras at least at a quick glance have always looked like one of the companies cloned and copied the other as to the design. So I was wondering if my color version of your mono camera had the hole, but it doesn't.
 

Mike Lewis

Staff Member
Yes, I have another friend who verified that. Curiously, the mounting scheme for the mono and color versions of the QHY versions of the camera is quite different, presumably because they do not figure the color camera will need to connect to a filter wheel. Not the best assumption anymore, with so many different multibandpass color filters for doing narrowband on color cameras. In any case, I am not surprised to hear that hole is not present in your ZWO version, as I have seen noticeable differences in the packaging between the 2 companies for cameras that use the same sensor. Thanks for checking in any case.

A reply I got from CN says that hole is to allow for the capability to blow air across the sensor cover glass, I guess either to clean it or to keep it from having dew issues? Not sure why that only exists on the mono camera. There is supposed to be a rubber plug that goes in there, I guess I either did not get one at all or it is in some accessory bag and I did not know I was supposed to install it. I think it is an oversight that they do not mention it prominently in their documentation, especially if it is not installed coming from the factory...

ML
 

JimFox

Moderator
Staff member
Yeah, it should come installed by default I would think.

I have actually thought about getting a 5 filter, filter wheel for my setup. I am fine right now, but I have certainly pondered doing that enough to look at the various filter wheels available from ZWO.

Where is the box the camera came in? At your house or down in Arizona?
 

Mike Lewis

Staff Member
Yeah, it should come installed by default I would think.

I have actually thought about getting a 5 filter, filter wheel for my setup. I am fine right now, but I have certainly pondered doing that enough to look at the various filter wheels available from ZWO.

Where is the box the camera came in? At your house or down in Arizona?
Down in AZ. I asked my friend to check for it next time he has a chance. I think I'll leave the tape on there in any case though as hen did a really nice job putting 2 layers of tape over it.

ML
 

JimFox

Moderator
Staff member
So that means.... you can image again!!! 🚀

What's your next target? I am looking to do the Jellyfish Nebula and also the new comet on Tuesday.
 

CRTAstro

Well-Known Member
OK, so after a lot of lost imaging time and effort flat black painting the inside of my QHYCFW3L filter wheel, it was sent back down with the camera to AZ to be reassembled to the OTA. That was done yesterday, and a typical check was made to make sure all systems were connected properly and that I was able to control all the gear (computer, mount, camera, filter wheel, focuser, autoguder camera) from here in CO. Because I have been sick with the flu that check was done during the day with the caps on the main scope and autoguider. Too bad we did not think to run this same test before the equipment was brought back to Colorado, because the results were categorical for a light leak (as opposed to any internal reflections...) I suppose that having the inside of the wheel flat black is still a good thing (assuming no outgassing or particulate issues over time and given the warranty of the wheel is gone) but I am guessing now that was not required.

So here is the question for any of our users out there with the QHY268M (@CRTAstro? anyone else?) - what exactly is this hole on the side of the camera for? (I cannot examine it myself as the camera is obviously back down in AZ...)

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Because on my setup, with that hole uncovered in daylight (with the OTA objective cap firmly in place) I capture this in a 1 second image:

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And with that hole covered with black tape under the same conditions I capture this...

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What the @#@%$#@!!? I cannot believe this is supposed to work this way. Is this the desiccant tube port? I thought that was covered by a rubber cap if not used? I certainly never installed anything there. Is my camera somehow defective? camera is bolted directly to the filter wheel per the assembly instructions. I appear to be able to solve the problem with tape (at least for now) but I am quite certain everyone is not needing to resort to this hack. I HATE mysteries like this, and this one has cost me quite a lot of time and effort already. I have upwards of 40 hours of data collected on 2 targets that is corrupted by this (see previous posts...)

Anyway, will be posting this same question on CN but thought I would check here first in case anyone had any comments on what this hole is for on a QHY268M camera.

ML
Sorry Mike...late to the game. That is pretty shocking if it's the source of a light leak. I am not familiar with QHY cams so specific forums/manufacturer would be the way to go. Plugging/taping it up seems to be the interim solution but still...

PS From a QHY268M astro friend of mine...he says his has a plug in it...will wait for a pic

So here's the pic....looks like there should be a plug there
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and more in this link

QHY268M - PHOTOGRAPHIC COOLED [MONOCHROME] | Testar Australia

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With the desiccant tube attached:

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CRTAstro

Well-Known Member
Will do. I will post at whatever point I understand what that hole is designed to be used for. Hopefully Carlos can chime in when he sees this, as he has houirs of data collection without these issues and the same camera and filters...


ML
Sorry Mike, I have the ZWO ASI2600MM....but I have a few friends with the QHY cam
 

Mike Lewis

Staff Member
@CRTAstro - Carlos, sorry, I failed to recall the nuance that you had the version of this camera from the 'other guys' :) I have a local friend here who just bought the QHY version of the camera and I talked to him. Amazingly, he had seen this plug fall out loose when he unpacked his camera, did not know where it was supposed to go, and so had laid it aside. He was no doubt going to have gone down the same rabbit hole I have been living in with this, until I explained what was up. he was able to reinstall it (and I think he taped over it too to keep it snugly in place...) For me, I had my friend do a tape only fix with 2 layers of tape:

Light_Leak_Hole_taped_QHY268M.jpeg



It tests out as totally light tight now and I am FINALLY back in business. I sent a support email to QHY about getting another one, since I never saw one at all anywhere in my packaging, but so far no response. Chinese New Year perhaps? In any case I think I am fully operational now. Thanks for the help and chiming in, much appreciated.

ML
 
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