Considering my options ($6K)

Bob Israel

Well-Known Member
I've been patiently waiting to get into Astrophotography and I have a preorder for the Celestron Origin smart telescope. It was originally supposed to ship in May but now I hear summer. I also hear that a first production is accounted for and the next batch won't be till sometime in 2025. I have no idea if I would get one in the first batch.

So, I'm considering my options. If the Origin isn't in the near term for me, I would go the more traditional astro telescope setup. I like the RASA concept from Celestron and could consider a RASA 8 scope. But I'd love to hear from this community. If I am willing to spend around $6K on an astro photo setup, what would be recommended for deep sky imaging? I'm more interested in nebula and galaxies than I am at planetary subjects.

Thoughts?
 

Comet Hunter

Supporting Member
How are you at working through technical issues? Collimation, backspace requierments etc, setting up off axis guiding focasing etc, etc. What software and hardware will you use to capture images? These answers will help point in the right direction. The other consideration is will you be buyimg a one shot color or mono camera? The mono having a much higher learning curve and counting filters, more expensive

As for me I started with a dslr mounted to a ES Comet Hunter Mak Newt which to "me" was very challaging to keep collimated and camera set, balanced, focased etc. I switched to a refractor and dedicated astrocamera asi533 mc with EAF auto focase ran by the asiair and never looked back. After selling the CH, and buying 2 refractor I got really spoiled. I recently picked up a 8" sct (similar to the rasa) and am running into all kinds of technical issues you don't have with a refractor. Buy my friend went just the other way and sold his refractor and bought a 8" rasa. After some trouble shooting setting it up, he loves it.
 

JimFox

Moderator
Staff member
Hey Bob,

Sorry to hear about the delays.

Ed brings up a really good point. And I have to say I have heard of so many people who started out with an SCT and then after months are ready to through up their hands because of all of the issues. I would strongly recommend starting with a Refractor and then later after you have some time on under your belt you upgrade to an SCT. Because in the beginning, almost every single piece of Astro gear will have a learning curve associated with it. So to not have to deal with Collimation, and the other issues associated with SCT's, will help you greatly along your journey.

Here is my suggested list of gear to get you started based on what I use.

ZWO - AM5 mount : it's a near perfect mount. No balancing needed, it guides great and it is future proof in that it can handle the heavier SCT later on.

ZWO- ASI2600mc Pro Duo : It's a perfect astro camera, no thermal noise. The 2600mc Pro has been what I would say is the Defacto standard among a large portion of the Astro community since it was released. The ASI1600 used to carry that mantle, but it's now the ASI2600.

Askar FRA 500 with reducer: It's a scope that doesn't make you have to worry about back focus (a big stumbling block for new astrophotographers). The ASI2600 allows you to crop more then you might think, so with the FRA500 you still end up with nice reach for smaller objects. With the reducer giving you about a 340mm reach you can go wider if you want.

ZWO - ASIAir Plus: It controls it all in an easy to use package. It takes Nina, PHD2, etc and streamlines them to give you complete control.

ZWO - EAF: You can add this onto the Askar Fra500 to give you auto focus. I started out without it, and you can manually focus any scope, but I also lost lot's of images as the temperature would change and the focus changed and I didn't realize it. With the EAF you can set it to refocus as the temp changes during the night. It's one thing I will always include from now in. Manual focusing is a real pain. so EAF is a great quality of life you want.

(For guiding if you get the ASI2600 mc Pro Duo you don't need a guide camera and it's one less set of cables. But if you don't get the Duo version and you want to save $500 by getting the regular 2600mc Pro, then you need a guide camera. You can buy the ASIAir Plus as a package with the Guide camera)


I haven't looked up current prices, but I think those will fall into your price range.


And this is just my suggestion, but I will say I have found there are a lot of people who have built rigs similar to mine. which kind of made me feel good that I had gravitated to the same items as a lot of others have.
 

Bob Israel

Well-Known Member
How are you at working through technical issues? Collimation, backspace requierments etc, setting up off axis guiding focasing etc, etc. What software and hardware will you use to capture images? These answers will help point in the right direction. The other consideration is will you be buyimg a one shot color or mono camera? The mono having a much higher learning curve and counting filters, more expensive

As for me I started with a dslr mounted to a ES Comet Hunter Mak Newt which to "me" was very challaging to keep collimated and camera set, balanced, focased etc. I switched to a refractor and dedicated astrocamera asi533 mc with EAF auto focase ran by the asiair and never looked back. After selling the CH, and buying 2 refractor I got really spoiled. I recently picked up a 8" sct (similar to the rasa) and am running into all kinds of technical issues you don't have with a refractor. Buy my friend went just the other way and sold his refractor and bought a 8" rasa. After some trouble shooting setting it up, he loves it.
Thanks for the reply. My only experience with Astro has been with my mirrorless and the Milky Way with a Star Adventurer tracker. So, while I think I am technically savvy, I haven't done collimation before nor setting up off axis guiding, etc. I also don't have any experience with capture software like PhD an Nina. Yes, I'm a deep space newbie which is why I am so intrigued by the Celetron Origin more than any other smart scope. For camera, I'm thinking a dedicaated color camera such as what Jim suggests. So, maybe a refactor like the Askar or Red Cat are a better direction vs the RASA 8 for now.
 

Bob Israel

Well-Known Member
Hey Bob,

Sorry to hear about the delays.

Ed brings up a really good point. And I have to say I have heard of so many people who started out with an SCT and then after months are ready to through up their hands because of all of the issues. I would strongly recommend starting with a Refractor and then later after you have some time on under your belt you upgrade to an SCT. Because in the beginning, almost every single piece of Astro gear will have a learning curve associated with it. So to not have to deal with Collimation, and the other issues associated with SCT's, will help you greatly along your journey.

Here is my suggested list of gear to get you started based on what I use.

ZWO - AM5 mount : it's a near perfect mount. No balancing needed, it guides great and it is future proof in that it can handle the heavier SCT later on.

ZWO- ASI2600mc Pro Duo : It's a perfect astro camera, no thermal noise. The 2600mc Pro has been what I would say is the Defacto standard among a large portion of the Astro community since it was released. The ASI1600 used to carry that mantle, but it's now the ASI2600.

Askar FRA 500 with reducer: It's a scope that doesn't make you have to worry about back focus (a big stumbling block for new astrophotographers). The ASI2600 allows you to crop more then you might think, so with the FRA500 you still end up with nice reach for smaller objects. With the reducer giving you about a 340mm reach you can go wider if you want.

ZWO - ASIAir Plus: It controls it all in an easy to use package. It takes Nina, PHD2, etc and streamlines them to give you complete control.

ZWO - EAF: You can add this onto the Askar Fra500 to give you auto focus. I started out without it, and you can manually focus any scope, but I also lost lot's of images as the temperature would change and the focus changed and I didn't realize it. With the EAF you can set it to refocus as the temp changes during the night. It's one thing I will always include from now in. Manual focusing is a real pain. so EAF is a great quality of life you want.

(For guiding if you get the ASI2600 mc Pro Duo you don't need a guide camera and it's one less set of cables. But if you don't get the Duo version and you want to save $500 by getting the regular 2600mc Pro, then you need a guide camera. You can buy the ASIAir Plus as a package with the Guide camera)


I haven't looked up current prices, but I think those will fall into your price range.


And this is just my suggestion, but I will say I have found there are a lot of people who have built rigs similar to mine. which kind of made me feel good that I had gravitated to the same items as a lot of others have.
All good suggestions Jim. For the scope, I was also thinking about the Red Cat 81 as a possibility.
 

JimFox

Moderator
Staff member
I don't think you will be very happy at all with 350mm. Of course it depends on what camera you get and it's sensor size. My setup gives me 500mm and 340mm (with reducer). I hardly ever have used it with the reducer. The reason being is the majority of the objects are smaller, and it could just be me, but I love all of those smaller objects and I want them as big as I can get them.

If I had it to do again, I would really consider this, it's a newer offering, and it's also by Askar....

Askar V 60mm / 80mm Triplet Modular Apo Refractor Telescope (agenaastro.com)
 

Bob Israel

Well-Known Member
I don't think you will be very happy at all with 350mm. Of course it depends on what camera you get and it's sensor size. My setup gives me 500mm and 340mm (with reducer). I hardly ever have used it with the reducer. The reason being is the majority of the objects are smaller, and it could just be me, but I love all of those smaller objects and I want them as big as I can get them.

If I had it to do again, I would really consider this, it's a newer offering, and it's also by Askar....

Askar V 60mm / 80mm Triplet Modular Apo Refractor Telescope (agenaastro.com)
That Askar V looks like a great choice! Watched a few reviews and it looks solid.
 

Comet Hunter

Supporting Member
Thanks for the reply. My only experience with Astro has been with my mirrorless and the Milky Way with a Star Adventurer tracker. So, while I think I am technically savvy, I haven't done collimation before nor setting up off axis guiding, etc. I also don't have any experience with capture software like PhD an Nina. Yes, I'm a deep space newbie which is why I am so intrigued by the Celetron Origin more than any other smart scope. For camera, I'm thinking a dedicaated color camera such as what Jim suggests. So, maybe a refactor like the Askar or Red Cat are a better direction vs the RASA 8 for now.
have you googled your area for any amature astronomy clubs? I joined 2 just to get kick-started as my learning curve was steep... If any are around you, join and you can go to their meetings and star parties they have monthly and you can test run and review all kinds of different types of equipment for free while making new friends which in my case was instrumental in learning deep space imaging. Consider looking at the ASIair for running and capturing images. To me, its the easiest hardware and software to get started and they are only a few $100's with lots of YouTube videos available for self training.... Good Luck! If you get stuck, reach back out to us here for help too...
 

Bob Israel

Well-Known Member
have you googled your area for any amature astronomy clubs? I joined 2 just to get kick-started as my learning curve was steep... If any are around you, join and you can go to their meetings and star parties they have monthly and you can test run and review all kinds of different types of equipment for free while making new friends which in my case was instrumental in learning deep space imaging. Consider looking at the ASIair for running and capturing images. To me, its the easiest hardware and software to get started and they are only a few $100's with lots of YouTube videos available for self training.... Good Luck! If you get stuck, reach back out to us here for help too...
Yeah, been thinking about checking out the Minnesota Astronomical Society for that exact reason. They do host events and have meetings and I'm sure I can learn a lot. Thanks!
 
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