The necessity (or not) of eye detail

gardenersassistant

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I've been having some discussions recently about eye detail and it has left me curious. How necessary is eye detail for your enjoyment of an image?

You might want to base a response on your own experience, but for anyone who would like an example to respond to .....

..... this image doesn't have any eye detail. Would you throw it out because of that? (You might throw it out for other reasons, but it is the eye detail question that I'm primarily interested in here.)


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if you look at the next image at 100% of its 1300 pixel high size you will see that it does have some eye detail, but it isn't very good quality. Would you throw it out because of that?


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I do have some thoughts about this issue, but I'll keep them for a response later. Just now I'm more interested in what you think.
 

AlanLichty

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To be honest I wouldn't toss either because of the eye detail since there is so much detail in the rest of the subject.
 

Ben Egbert

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Eye detail seems to be important in birds and animal images and of course human portraits. Insects have far more detail in the eyes. The eyes in this image have a tonal gradient and are not blown out or out of focus. Insects do not have a single pupal to focus on and seldom show catch lights. Or as in this case it is diffused.

The image is engaging and sharp and detailed so I would like it regardless of eye detail.

Eyes are sort of a window into the personality of the subject. I am not sure insect personality is engaging.
 
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Nilo Photography

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Eye detail seems to be important in birds and animal images and of course human portraits. Insects have, far more detail in the eyes. The eyes in this image have a tonal gradient and are not blown out or out of focus. Insects do not have a single pupal to focus on and seldom show catch lights. Or as in this case it is diffused.

The image is engaging and sharp and detailed so I would like it regardless of eye detail.

Eyes are sort of a window into the personality of the subject. I am not sure insect personality if engaging.
I agree with Ben.
 

JimFox

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Maybe because I don’t shoot enough of it, eye detail to me is not more important then body detail. It’s kind of like some landscape photographers who talk and act like you are a fool to go photograph unless it’s at those specific times.

So for me, if the body is sharp, I shouldn’t even notice the eye either way, because the overall sharpness grabs me.

So I will say I would not throw that photo away.
 

Ken Rennie

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Hi Nick. I would keep the first image without any discernible compound eye detail. The second image with the less than sharp compound eye detail draws attention to the fact that detail is less than sharp. However I would be delighted to have managed to capture either. Ken
 

gardenersassistant

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I would like to thank everyone who has responded to my request. You have helped me sort out my thoughts and settle my feelings about this issue.


Your responses

I posed the same questions on three forums that I currently frequent which include close-up/macro in their subject matter. I am posting this response in all three forums.

I have received 16 responses, as follows:
Respondents varied in their experience with close-up/macro, ranging from experts through to non-practitioners.

Unsurprisingly, opinions differed, although not as much as I expected.

One respondent, who has a long history and deep competence with this sort of subject matter did not like either of the images (as explained in this post) for two reasons: lack of detail in the eyes and unappealing compositions.

For everyone else it seemed to be (with some variety of course) along the lines of "eye detail is very important, and one should strive to get it, but images can be appealing / worthwhile / enjoyable to look at even if they lack eye detail; it depends on what else is in the image, such as details of body/head/legs and composition".

This response included the following, which is a thought I will take away from this exercise and try to keep in mind: "The second image with the less than sharp compound eye detail draws attention to the fact that detail is less than sharp."

From this response, another thought I'll take away from this is along the lines of "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good".


My response

My questions arose from some responses to recent comments I have made about how the tiny aperture technique I'm currently using destroys fine detail. Lack of eye detail in insects seems to me to be where this is most apparent.

It isn't that this technique means that eye detail is impossible to capture, as I think these three examples from yesterday illustrate if you look at them at 100%.


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But with this technique you have to get quite close in to capture eye detail. In each case, as shown below, there are examples from further out which lack eye detail. Especially for the second of these I would hope to see eye detail at this scale. For the third one, with the eyes being so small, I'm not surprised or particularly troubled about not being able to see eye detail. I'm not sure about the first one. I have a feeling bees' eye detail may be more difficult to pick up at this scale than flies' eye detail, but I'm not sure about that.

There are also intermediate examples where there is the beginnings of some eye detail but it looks poor quality. I think I'll be wary about posting that sort of image in future.

However, as a result of the responses I've received in this thread I'll be more relaxed about posting images like the ones below, with only a residual, slightly uneasy feeling that experts in this field may find them unsatisfactory. But it's the best I can manage at the moment, and that will have to do.

Once again, my sincere thanks for helping me with this.


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