Perseids fired First

JimFox

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I went up to the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest in the White Mountains in California to shoot the Perseids Meteor shower last Saturday night. And this is just after it got dark and is one of my first shots I took. Until the clouds got a big thicker later, the meteors where powerful streaks of light in the sky.

Since it's across Owens Valley from the Eastern Sierra I was hoping the smoke from the wildfires would not be an issue, and it wasn't but I did have to deal with some light cloud cover that kept drifting through.

I do often like the look of light cloud cover at night when shooting the stars, it can add a cool sense of mystery to the shot. But they can also complicate when dealing with the White Balance as it's really hard to separate the sky from the clouds. So when I adjust the WB to go cooler as I typically like my star shot skies to be a dark blue, in this case it just wasn't going to happen as the clouds turned blue along with the sky, and being able to layer mask the clouds only wasn't happening. One thing with adjusting the WB to a cooler WB that I look to avoid is that often when adjusting the sky to a cooler blue, then the stars turn from being white to then being blue. That to me really doesn't look good, I prefer my stars to be white or very close to white.

So in this case I left the WB basically alone and went with the green and magenta of the Air Glow in the sky. This might look a bit different then I normally process, but in the end it was the closest look to what came out of the camera.

This is a single frame image, no stacking was used.

All comments are welcome,

Jim

PS. Taken with the Nikon D850 and the Sigma 14mm f1.8 at ISO 5000, 30 secs, f1.8

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Zeph

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I like the clouds in this, like Amy said, they add depth, giving voice to the atmosphere.
 

AlanLichty

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Unusual result but very interesting to view. I like the WB you stuck with.

Nice to hear you were able to avoid the smoke - I was afraid you would get skunked from it.
 

Jim Dockery

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Great shot! I really like the light on the hillside/tree. The clouds lead perfectly into the tree, which is the main subject for me, the stars being frosting on the cake. Thanks for the detailed explanation of your processing - good call. I like how the meteor streak looks like it has a rainbow effect. Did you get any closer to that wonderful tree?
 

Bob

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Jim,
You had the same problem I had with my Lizard Head shot. Fortunately for me the light pollution in Sedona helped turn my clouds yellowish.
I really like the clouds in the image but it is frustrating when you go out and try and shoot something and mother nature just gets in the way. I like your choice to leave the WB alone.
Bob
 

Kyle Jones

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I agree that you can't take the sky any bluer. Really cool scene you ended up with. The tree, clouds and stars work really well together. The meteor ended up in a great spot too. Have you played with darkening/cooling the foreground a little? That might bring back some of the night feeling.
 

JimFox

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Unusual result but very interesting to view. I like the WB you stuck with.

Nice to hear you were able to avoid the smoke - I was afraid you would get skunked from it.
Thank you Alan! I was pretty sure the smoke wouldn't be an issue, but you just don't know sometimes. Now in the Sierra that was a different story. Especially at the south end of it, the peaks of the Eastern Sierra were not visible and the lower hills were just obscure layers.
 

JimFox

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Great shot! I really like the light on the hillside/tree. The clouds lead perfectly into the tree, which is the main subject for me, the stars being frosting on the cake. Thanks for the detailed explanation of your processing - good call. I like how the meteor streak looks like it has a rainbow effect. Did you get any closer to that wonderful tree?
Thanks Jim, I am glad you liked this one.

The meteor for as nicely detailed as it is here, was so much more impressive in person. It really looked like a missile being fired as it streaked across the sky.

As for that tree, that's the closest I got for 2 reasons. Obviously shooting at 14mm it makes everything seem a bit smaller, but also I prefer single shot night scenes. I don't like focus stacking, and to get closer then would have resulted in my needing to blend in an image of the tree that was shot at a time separate from the stars. With Hyperfocal distance everything gets in focus in one take. And that tree is not that far away, I am probably 12 feet from it.
 

MonikaC

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I agree that you can't take the sky any bluer. Really cool scene you ended up with. The tree, clouds and stars work really well together. The meteor ended up in a great spot too. Have you played with darkening/cooling the foreground a little? That might bring back some of the night feeling.
Jim, I agree with Kyle with darkening the foreground a bit. It would give a more of a night time feeling rather than otherworldly. But then maybe because of the airglow, the otherworldly feel is more appropriate?

I always struggle with the airglow in processing night shots. After finding this explanation of it, I may start leaving it in more, though.
 

Tom Narwid

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I went up to the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest in the White Mountains in California to shoot the Perseids Meteor shower last Saturday night. And this is just after it got dark and is one of my first shots I took. Until the clouds got a big thicker later, the meteors where powerful streaks of light in the sky.

Since it's across Owens Valley from the Eastern Sierra I was hoping the smoke from the wildfires would not be an issue, and it wasn't but I did have to deal with some light cloud cover that kept drifting through.

I do often like the look of light cloud cover at night when shooting the stars, it can add a cool sense of mystery to the shot. But they can also complicate when dealing with the White Balance as it's really hard to separate the sky from the clouds. So when I adjust the WB to go cooler as I typically like my star shot skies to be a dark blue, in this case it just wasn't going to happen as the clouds turned blue along with the sky, and being able to layer mask the clouds only wasn't happening. One thing with adjusting the WB to a cooler WB that I look to avoid is that often when adjusting the sky to a cooler blue, then the stars turn from being white to then being blue. That to me really doesn't look good, I prefer my stars to be white or very close to white.

So in this case I left the WB basically alone and went with the green and magenta of the Air Glow in the sky. This might look a bit different then I normally process, but in the end it was the closest look to what came out of the camera.

This is a single frame image, no stacking was used.

All comments are welcome,

Jim

PS. Taken with the Nikon D850 and the Sigma 14mm f1.8 at ISO 5000, 30 secs, f1.8

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Wow!! What a great image Jim.
 

JimFox

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Jim, I agree with Kyle with darkening the foreground a bit. It would give a more of a night time feeling rather than otherworldly. But then maybe because of the airglow, the otherworldly feel is more appropriate?

I always struggle with the airglow in processing night shots. After finding this explanation of it, I may start leaving it in more, though.
Thanks Monika! If you are familiar with my night shots, keeping the ground layer looking dark like it was at night is one those things that I always focus on and do. And I did darken the rocks on the ground layer, but because of the trees scattered throughout the ground layer to go any darker then creates an issue as those trees will lose the minimal detail they have and turn the ground layer into an unsightly mess. So because of that, other then some slight darkening of the rocks in the lower left I left the brightness of the ground relative to the sky as it was shot.

So thanks to you and Kyle for mentioning it, but to go any darker with this one because of the scattered trees wasn't going to work.

As to the Airglow, I remember about 8 or 9 years ago shooting the Milky Way up in Yellowstone and spending a good day or two processing my shots but really annoyed with this green and magenta coloring in the sky. I was trying to remove it... :) It was then that I first learned about Airglow and what it was. So since then, I will leave it in place as I did here. I was going to mention the Airglow when I first wrote it, but then it slipped my mind.

The one key I think I have learned as I have been shooting these astro shots over the years is to just not force our desires for a look onto the image, but to rather work "with" what we have captured and do the best to bring that out.
 

MonikaC

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Thanks Monika! If you are familiar with my night shots, keeping the ground layer looking dark like it was at night is one those things that I always focus on and do. And I did darken the rocks on the ground layer, but because of the trees scattered throughout the ground layer to go any darker then creates an issue as those trees will lose the minimal detail they have and turn the ground layer into an unsightly mess. So because of that, other then some slight darkening of the rocks in the lower left I left the brightness of the ground relative to the sky as it was shot.

So thanks to you and Kyle for mentioning it, but to go any darker with this one because of the scattered trees wasn't going to work.

As to the Airglow, I remember about 8 or 9 years ago shooting the Milky Way up in Yellowstone and spending a good day or two processing my shots but really annoyed with this green and magenta coloring in the sky. I was trying to remove it... :) It was then that I first learned about Airglow and what it was. So since then, I will leave it in place as I did here. I was going to mention the Airglow when I first wrote it, but then it slipped my mind.

The one key I think I have learned as I have been shooting these astro shots over the years is to just not force our desires for a look onto the image, but to rather work "with" what we have captured and do the best to bring that out.
Yeah, I always figure that if I have to do much with the processing, it just isn't going to work. Same with compositions.
 
Just like in Bob's image yesterday the clouds add a lot of interest and make the eye search the entire image looking for the stars. The meteor will never look as bright or as large as you saw it because you are using a 14mm lens. Still it is prominent enough to contribute to the overall image. Nice job with this one, Jim.
 

lightsgood

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I went up to the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest in the White Mountains in California to shoot the Perseids Meteor shower last Saturday night. And this is just after it got dark and is one of my first shots I took. Until the clouds got a big thicker later, the meteors where powerful streaks of light in the sky.

Since it's across Owens Valley from the Eastern Sierra I was hoping the smoke from the wildfires would not be an issue, and it wasn't but I did have to deal with some light cloud cover that kept drifting through.

I do often like the look of light cloud cover at night when shooting the stars, it can add a cool sense of mystery to the shot. But they can also complicate when dealing with the White Balance as it's really hard to separate the sky from the clouds. So when I adjust the WB to go cooler as I typically like my star shot skies to be a dark blue, in this case it just wasn't going to happen as the clouds turned blue along with the sky, and being able to layer mask the clouds only wasn't happening. One thing with adjusting the WB to a cooler WB that I look to avoid is that often when adjusting the sky to a cooler blue, then the stars turn from being white to then being blue. That to me really doesn't look good, I prefer my stars to be white or very close to white.

So in this case I left the WB basically alone and went with the green and magenta of the Air Glow in the sky. This might look a bit different then I normally process, but in the end it was the closest look to what came out of the camera.

This is a single frame image, no stacking was used.

All comments are welcome,

Jim

PS. Taken with the Nikon D850 and the Sigma 14mm f1.8 at ISO 5000, 30 secs, f1.8

View attachment 10863
Wonderful shot Jim. Definitely worth braving the cold for! ;-)
 
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