Salvage Saturday

AlanLichty

AlanLichty

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Nice starting point Ben - no clue where that bridge is but the scene still looks good. That looks like early spring.

My salvage job was on an elderly Agfachrome slide from the summer of 1975 when I was working with the excavations at Cowboy Cave. Our camp was a couple hundred yards from the Orange Cliffs just north of the Hans Flat Ranger Station and there were some good views from the edge including this small unnamed arch along the side. The scan needed a lot of dust cleanup as well as film scratch removal along with general cleanup and color corrections. Topaz Denoise AI, Topaz Sharpen AI, and Tony Kuyper's TK8 did most of the heavy lifting to rehabilitate the shot.

Shot from a Pentax Spotmatic with a Vivitar 100mm lens and a Vivitar 2x tele-extender.

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Ben Egbert

Ben Egbert

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AlanLichty said:
Nice starting point Ben - no clue where that bridge is but the scene still looks good. That looks like early spring.

My salvage job was on an elderly Agfachrome slide from the summer of 1975 when I was working with the excavations at Cowboy Cave. Our camp was a couple hundred yards from the Orange Cliffs just north of the Hans Flat Ranger Station and there were some good views from the edge including this small unnamed arch along the side. The scan needed a lot of dust cleanup as well as film scratch removal along with general cleanup and color corrections. Topaz Denoise AI, Topaz Sharpen AI, and Tony Kuyper's TK8 did most of the heavy lifting to rehabilitate the shot.

Shot from a Pentax Spotmatic with a Vivitar 100mm lens and a Vivitar 2x tele-extender.

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Great recovery Alan. I like your inclusion of shooting info, I wish I had more records of mine. I would have loved to be spending time around Hans Flat in the 70's.
 
Jameel Hyder

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With the latest DeNoise AI, it can handle RAW files directly. This was the first file I tried with doing RAW denoise first and then post process in PS vs. do RAW conversion in ACR and then do denoise in PS plugin. This image was pretty dark due to the shooting with the moon in frame (which I have cropped out). The one issue with doing denoise with the RAW file is that it saves it as a DNG with a lot of camera info not preserved. As such when it is opened in ACR, it cannot apply camera profiles.

Anyway here is the SOOC image.
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Here is the version after Denoise AI of RAW file, processed and cropped. There is some hallows around the rocks which I will be working on later.
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Ben Egbert

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Jameel Hyder said:
With the latest DeNoise AI, it can handle RAW files directly. This was the first file I tried with doing RAW denoise first and then post process in PS vs. do RAW conversion in ACR and then do denoise in PS plugin. This image was pretty dark due to the shooting with the moon in frame (which I have cropped out). The one issue with doing denoise with the RAW file is that it saves it as a DNG with a lot of camera info not preserved. As such when it is opened in ACR, it cannot apply camera profiles.

Anyway here is the SOOC image, screen shot from ACR with default (all 0) sliders.
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Here is the version after Denoise AI of RAW file, processed and cropped. There is some hallows around the rocks which I will be working on later.
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Great save Jameel. I just had my hard drive reimaged, and had to reload everything. I upgraded to the latest version of DeNoize AI but I have been using it as a plug in. Is it better to work in Raw?
 
Jameel Hyder

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Ben Egbert said:
Great save Jameel. I just had my hard drive reimaged, and had to reload everything. I upgraded to the latest version of DeNoize AI but I have been using it as a plug in. Is it better to work in Raw?
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I haven't done much with RAW and have just started playing with it after looking at some online reviews. Since it is working with raw data, it is supposedly better able to do noise reduction as it does de-mosaic and noise reduction together. It has its downside as well since it is a completely different workflow. For now I am going to use the RAW mode when the noise is significant, otherwise use the plugin.

For more reading The DeNoise AI RAW model delivers the cleanest image noise reduction (topazlabs.com)

Another resource is this video which delves into when to use the RAW model.
When to use the DeNoise AI RAW model - YouTube
 
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AlanLichty

AlanLichty

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Jameel Hyder said:
I haven't done much with RAW and have just started playing with it after looking at some online reviews. Since it is working with raw data, it is supposedly better able to do noise reduction as it does de-mosaic and noise reduction together. It has its downside as well since it is a completely different workflow. For now I am going to use the RAW mode when the noise is significant, otherwise use the plugin.

For more reading The DeNoise AI RAW model delivers the cleanest image noise reduction (topazlabs.com)
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The workflow angle is what sent me away from using it from within LR. The output is a TIF file so once you have run Denoise you are no longer working in RAW anyway. for me instead of jumping from LR into a PS edit session I now have a TIF file hanging around that I have to bring up in PS. I honestly didn't find all that much difference between using Denoise in LR on the RAW image vs. just running it as a first step once I bring it into PS.

The workflow aspect is also what has kept me from caring much about Gigapixel AI too since it doesn't integrate with either LR or PS.
 
Jameel Hyder

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AlanLichty said:
The workflow angle is what sent me away from using it from within LR. The output is a TIF file so once you have run Denoise you are no longer working in RAW anyway. for me instead of jumping from LR into a PS edit session I now have a TIF file hanging around that I have to bring up in PS. I honestly didn't find all that much difference between using Denoise in LR on the RAW image vs. just running it as a first step once I bring it into PS.

The workflow aspect is also what has kept me from caring much about Gigapixel AI too since it doesn't integrate with either LR or PS.
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The output can also be DNG rather than TIF which is what I'd use.
 
Ben Egbert

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I read the article. I don't use LR, so much of the read did not apply. But I could bring a denoised image into ACR as a DNG and edit with my regular work flow.
 
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