Sky replacement in photoshop

Jameel Hyder

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The 2021 version of PS available now includes sky replacement among a bunch of new features. Has controls to match scene lighting to the sky. Also has a bunch of neural filters (it’s beta for now). Lot of computational stuff coming to a mouse click near you.
 

Ben Egbert

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Wow, does it have canned skys? You say available now, I have the latest, is this the one or do you need to download more?

No need to keep going back to Deadhorse point hoping for good sky's
 

Jameel Hyder

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It does have canned skies and you can add your own. Open the Adobe cloud app and it should show you an available update.
 

AlanLichty

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The onboard sky replacements are a fairly slim set of offerings but you can add your own. Quite simple to use and does allow you to "flip" the sky to better match light angles between the foreground and the sky. You can also do some edits to the sky to make it better match the ground layers.

Look under the Edit menu and Sky Replacement is just below Auto-Align and Auto-Blend.
 

Ben Egbert

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Ok, I had not downloaded it yet, so I did and tried it out, here ya go. Now do we need to disclose that we did this when posting??

Sky replace

201018-14675-5DS R sky.jpg



Before
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AlanLichty

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Disclosure is entirely dependent on your ethics. There are photographers posting on web sites that have been doing things like this on a regular basis for many years now without disclosing what they were doing. The only difference now is how easy it is to get the same results.
 

JimFox

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Very interesting, though I won't use it.

To Ben's Question. I think in general when it comes to Landscape we expect the image to be authentic, so when something as huge as the sky is replaced, to disclose that is expected. At least I would expect it to be shared that the sky was not real and was added. So far, for those who have done it here so far, they have always disclosed that info.
 

Ben Egbert

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This is scary. I keep going back to places for great sky's or light and it's about a 10% chance of getting it. Now would I bother? Or if I do, how do I justify the effort just to keep it pure? An existential question for sure.

Of course I will keep going out and mostly for the fun of being there, for the experience.
 

Jameel Hyder

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Where does one draw a line as to when it is real or not. When sky is replaced versus colors, saturation etc are significantly worked on versus items cloned out, light painting in post etc. etc.

A broader question: is an image art or a depiction of reality ? This is where genre comes in I guess. A debate that won’t ever be resolved.

for now I am enjoying the software advances and fascinated by the possibilities.
 

AlanLichty

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Drawing a line requires us to define what belongs on each side of the line. Not an easy task since the tech behind all of this continues to contribute towards blurring it even farther.

As I mentioned above all of us have already seen posted images that included sky replacement done with careful masking and no disclosure of the edits dating back to earlier forums 10 years ago. The only thing new here is clever automatic masking.
 

JimFox

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This is scary. I keep going back to places for great sky's or light and it's about a 10% chance of getting it. Now would I bother? Or if I do, how do I justify the effort just to keep it pure? An existential question for sure.

Of course I will keep going out and mostly for the fun of being there, for the experience.
Yep, it's not a hard question for me either. The reason most of us are Landscape photographers is because we love the land and love being out in it.
 

JimFox

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Where does one draw a line as to when it is real or not. When sky is replaced versus colors, saturation etc are significantly worked on versus items cloned out, light painting in post etc. etc.

A broader question: is an image art or a depiction of reality ? This is where genre comes in I guess. A debate that won’t ever be resolved.

for now I am enjoying the software advances and fascinated by the possibilities.
Photography is Art, though through the years there have been efforts to declare it's not art and is simply a Journalistic Documentation. But I think that's an argument that has no basis anymore. Perhaps 150 years ago it was just to document because even with film in it's most early stages was quite limited. But it wasn't long before dodging and burning and other techniques came into play where film was no longer merely documenting a moment in time.

But because photography is art, that doesn't mean for the majority of Landscape photographers that Replacing a complete Sky would still be considered part of that Art, it would now turn the photograph from Art into Digital or Graphical Art which are 2 totally different things despite obviously having some things in common.

Replacing is different then Processing. So because we process a photo, I don't believe that justifies or equates to wholesale replacing of a sky.

The Processing of photos has been going on for over a 100 years now. And what most of us do, is no different then what we had been doing with film. Whether it's dodging and burning, or increasing the saturation or even bumping certain colors. It's nothing new. So in my mind at least, Processing is totally different then Replacement.

Now everyone may not see it that way. And there may be some who choose to replace skies and create their art that way. We have those who do that here, and I don't know of anyone who has put them down or lessened their work. All we will ask is that you declare that the sky was replaced.

What I wonder with this is many of us dual process our Raw images, one process for the ground and one of the sky. We still need to blend these together. With the Sky Replacement tool, would it allow us to "Replace" the sky with our processed version of the sky from that image? The reason I ask is I know some people do have problems with seamlessly blending of their skies back into their images. So this could be of use to them if it offered that benefit.
 

Ben Egbert

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Interesting idea Jim. Replacing sky with a sky from the same general time is something I do often. I don't have a problem with it. but to just grab a canned sky and sticking it in would.

I guess what originally bothered me about this was the idea that dramatic images could be made without taking the trouble to make them from your own files and efforts. Why bother to replace just the sky, why not just take an entire image that somebody else made.
 

AlanLichty

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Interesting idea Jim. Replacing sky with a sky from the same general time is something I do often. I don't have a problem with it. but to just grab a canned sky and sticking it in would.

I guess what originally bothered me about this was the idea that dramatic images could be made without taking the trouble to make them from your own files and efforts. Why bother to replace just the sky, why not just take an entire image that somebody else made.
Timely article in Fstoppers for exactly that thought: Foreground replacement. I believe this article was entirely tongue in cheek :)
 

Jameel Hyder

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On a different topic, check out what you can do with people - changing expressions, modifying moods, hair styles and the like.
 

JimFox

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Interesting idea Jim. Replacing sky with a sky from the same general time is something I do often. I don't have a problem with it. but to just grab a canned sky and sticking it in would.

I guess what originally bothered me about this was the idea that dramatic images could be made without taking the trouble to make them from your own files and efforts. Why bother to replace just the sky, why not just take an entire image that somebody else made.
Ben, I am suggesting replacing the sky with the same exact sky, just processed differently so it would need to be blended back in. (For those that have issues with Layer Masks). But yeah, it could work for a sky shot in that same general time too.
 
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