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[AlanLichty]

LR is more of a respository/Cataloging and DAM software, much more widely used than ACR and Photoshop is by avg user. It only makes sense to have HEIC compatibility in LR for the Instagram/Social media crowd first as most of them would tend to use iphone (cool factor). Serious "Pro" photographers will be less inclined to process and print cell phone photos...

that's just my thinking...Adobe i don't know...

We are more than slightly OT from Ben's thread

Interesting perspective on LR vs. ACR. A friend of mine was working at Adobe when they were first developing both LR and ACR and I was sent a beta copy of LR to play with. I did end up getting LR v1.0 and have been using it to create a master catalog of all of my digital images ever since with every digital camera I have owned. I have never really distinguished between the digital cameras in my phones and all the various point and shoot digital "pocket cameras" I have owned through the years. The social media crowd didn't even exist when I started using LR to catalog my images.

There are no adjustments in ACR that are not also present in LR in a more refined variant so the notion that ACR is a more professional tool than LR doesn't seem consistent to me. It has always felt more like an afterthought filter in PS to me.

 

[Sunny Sra]

you made some of the same points that I did, except the last paragraph...

ACR is a coffee maker...its a specialized piece of tool...just to make coffee.
LR is the kitchen...you can make breakfast, use the microwave, export to web, post to IG directly, create print templates, create slide shows, use plugins and presets, enter keywords, create maps...and make coffee.

If you have $1000 to spend ...you'd spend it on the kitchen vs the coffee maker
since more people will use the kitchen, you would enhance the kitchen more...vs the coffee maker since you have limited people who drink coffee

ACR came out in 2003
LR in 2006

 

[AlanLichty]

Neither existed when I first started using PS on my scanned slides in 2000. I had to use Canon's software for RAW when I first got a D60 and was pretty excited when I could skip that step with ACR. I liked that even in the beta LR had the ACR tools built in and offered a better image catalog than Canon's software so once LR1.0 came out I moved everything over. I have always used the sidecar XLR for edits so the original RAW file is never altered. Good thing too - I am amazed at what the current versions of both ACR and LR can do with my old D60 captures in RAW.

I have always seen LR/PS being complimentary tools rather than an either/or scenario so am a bit surprised they are seen as somehow exclusive. There's a reason Adobe bundled them together for photographers in their subscription. I have never printed or published images directly from LR since PS does that sooooo much better anyway.

 

[Ben Egbert]

If I could ever figure out where stuff is in LR, it would be more user friendly to me. I don't like programs that build catalogs for me. Sort of like doors in a car that self locks when you don't expect to. Don't even ask me what I think of Oracle or Turbo Tax. Oracle was about 10% of the reason I took early retirement.

 

[AlanLichty]

LR's big calling card has always been that it is a cataloging tool optimized to feed into PS. When you import an image to LR you are importing to the catalog and the develop tools can be applied to anything in the catalog. The edits you apply when you add modifications to an image are kept in a sidecar file that is indexed via the catalog. You can go back to any adjustment you have made to an image since all of those develop settings are saved.

With ACR you bring an image in to directly prep it for PS. It can keep the settings if you use it as a Smart layer in PS which have their own quirks. If you are using another tool for cataloging your image archive I can certainly see where LR's catalog focus would be annoying since it really only works when it builds one for you and it will always be doing that in the background.

I have just over 45,000 images in my LR catalog at home with almost all of them keyworded for easy retrieval. EXIF data for any given image is part of the catalog so I can pull up all of the images by EXIF attribute across the entire catalog (e.g. lens model, camera body, etc). My first task when I yank the memory card out of my camera is to import them into LR and add the primary keywords for the shooting session. I almost never access the image files directly in the filesystem and typically export the file and it's edits directly into PS from LR.

That's how this messy conversation got started in the first place - when I dumped my phone images in and found the .heic file extension in the image catalog a few weeks ago. I had no idea how messy trying to import them directly into ACR was going to get.

 

[Ben Egbert]

Right, file naming and cataloging are very personal. I name by date and sequence number. I can find an image pretty fast and I don't use keywords. I always flatten my images as I save them and have not seen any advantage to me for smart layers. I usually prefer to start a redo from scratch and usually get a better result. Sometimes I cannot get back to a result I like, but that both frustrates me, but is also a learning tool.

I have the time to do this so it does not matter that much.

 

[Sunny Sra]

Another big reason for heic in LR and not in ACR...

LR is mobile on Android and IOS. HEIC is native on IOS...makes sense to update LR to handle a native image file system of IOS that is on millions of phones that photographers can edit in LR mobile and post on web etc

@Ben Egbert
Heard back from Chris @ Breezesystems...they have no plans to make heic native into BreezeBrowser.

 

[Ben Egbert]

Would not matter on Breeze. I use a different protocol for uploading. Both the I-cloud and Dropbox. I have I-cloud working between my Ipad and Iphone, but still trying to get it working on my Windows 10 computer. It's a password issue.

 

[David S]

Great sky ! Nice colors